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Pegasus1008 Joined: 24 July 2006 Posts in this thread: 1	Posted on 24 July 2006 4:56 PM The German F122 and F123 class frigates will recieve a completely new upgrade of their electronic systems at same class as K130 and F124. About ASW: All German Ships have 2 Helicopters and they will all recieve 2 NH90. The F123 recieved a new towed array sonar a few weeks ago making it one of the best ASW ships in NATO. About AAW: All German Frigates have Medium or Medium and Long Range SAM missiles (Sea Sparrow) wich is a major advantage over other european Navy's e.g. the RN only has their Type 45 with missiles of the same Range. Another major advantage of the German fleet is that ALL Frigates and Corvettes got 2 SEA-RAM system's with 21 missiles each while most other european navy's lack modern CIWS systems (US Navy wants to replace their Phalanx with SEA-RAM. Also Germany has 3 F124 in service while the Italian Horizon will just enter service in 2008 and they only ordered 2 of them. Additionally to the system upgrades in F122 and F123 class the F123 will recieve ESSM, so it will carry 64 missiles! About the Quantity of the fleet: German Navy will order 4 F125 class Frigates this year (most likely in december) and the F125 is NOT A REPLACEMENT for F122 Frigates. ALL F122 Frigates will get heavy upgraded in a time scale from 2011 on, thats when F125 enters service, I see them more as a replacement for the planned Corvettes. 5 Corvettes are currently ordered and at least 4 of them are currently under construction. The first K130 is already christened and us currently undergoing Sea trials. German Navy will also order 2 more U212 submarines. U212's are not exactly conventional submarines since their performance is closer to nuclear submarines then to Diesel submarines. They also have a very unique energy system and a completely new anti magnetic field converter wich is making the submarine undetectable by today's sensor's. Post Reply
Virgo1004 Joined: 13 September 2006 Posts in this thread: 3	Posted on 14 September 2006 6:50 PM Very instresting that you would rank Japan number 2. Without question, the United States is number one. I will post my top fifteen (my opinion based on my research) shortly. Post Reply
Virgo1004 Joined: 13 September 2006 Posts in this thread: 3	Posted on 14 September 2006 7:21 PM United States (without a doubt) Russia (without a doubt) France (very strong nuclear sub force) Great Britain (strong nuclear sub force) Germany (large, advanced) Japan (large "maritime fleet", advanced) India (large fleet, 2 small carriers) Italy (advanced, 1 small carrier) China (large, unsure if nuclear equipped like land forces) Spain (1 of 2 small carriers, large) Turkey (large, though older ship included) Netherlands (advanced navy) Canada (more of a guess, advanced, but too small) Australia (more of a guess, advanced) Egypt honorable mention Ukraine a mystery. How much of Russian fleet did they retain/keep,quality? List based loosely on which countries have the strongest military, basic knowledge, not specific, size/quality/technology Post Reply

Notung1005 Joined: 09 October 2006 Posts in this thread: 1	Posted on 09 October 2006 4:28 PM Why do not use another major factor for any combat estimate capability? British have proved that they had the will to destroy enemies without warning and also the capacity to loose their ships and their navymen if it was necessary to do it. Even when far away from mainland acts of war. Remember Falklands situation. Who can analyse the Italy motivation? Same question with Germany? How could these countries' governments accept to loose hundreds of sailors at sea battle except for immediate and clear territory attack? Thus I suggest ranking changes including the commander & public opinion moral. Not only the beautiful new techno tools. British would probably pop up very high even if their fleet looks poor compared to others. Then the navy intelligence of the Brits outpass clearly (due to their US friendship and some other factors) japanese and german's ones. Following this track, as a French, I doubt of all previous rankings and I think that Brits could be 3rd in all estimates. Thanks for all your smart contributions and please apologize my poor english langage. Notung1005. Post Reply
Virgo1004 Joined: 13 September 2006 Posts in this thread: 3	Posted on 09 October 2006 9:39 PM kept up with Falklands in 82. British very impressive. Post Reply
Stingray1003 Joined: 17 October 2006 Posts in this thread: 1	Posted on 22 October 2006 8:33 AM Nah I disagree with those with low Australian rankings: For a minor country Australia fields one of the most capable blue water navies out there (most of it indigionous with specialised blue water capability) and while they are currently in the process of upgrading, the ships are due shortly. 3 x AEGIUS class (AWD) destroyers (locally produced, Hobart class 5-7,000 tons, service 2013 Simular to Japanese Kongo class) 2 x Amphibious assult ships (most likely 27,000 ton of brand new "Buque de Proyección Estratégica" which is a pocket-carrier capable of flying 20xF-35B's or harriers and larger than UK's current carriers and japans mini-carrier. Overload troop capability of over 1,000 + crew and can land M1A1 tanks). 12 x Frigates (8x of the latest Anzac class which are nice) 6 x infamous collins class (which are now arguably the best diesel submarine in the world, certainly the largest at 3,051 surfaced) While Australia has a small fleet in number they are all designed to be completely blue water capable and all brand new, hence larger than most. The submarines are twice the size of almost all other diesel submarines in use (longer range and capabilities) and use the very best equipment, and do exceedingly well in rimpac and other trials. Australian crews are arguably the best trained diesel sub crews in the world. Infact depending on the timing Australia's navy I would rank above the UK's. Also look how the fleet is structured. I wouldn't be suprised if Australia might stick a hand up for a uk CVF aircraft carrier capable of flying F-35C's. Effectively Australia would have 3 carriers, 3 destroyers,12 frigates and 6 submarines. Thats three groups made up of a carrier, a destroyer, 3 frigates and 2 submarines. Thats enough to be able to field one group continously. While Australia doesn't field a carrier at the moment we have 35 nuclear capable F-111 which effectively give Australia a very long range strike capability (including shipping) with a 2900 kmph bomber with 60% of B-52 payload and a long range and several refuelers. We got these when we traded in our carriers as Australia is effectively a unsinkable carrier. Australia has simular strike capacity to the USA's B-2's but non stealth. Even with out a CVF carrier, our two LHD (Canberra class) combined are larger than the Degaul and singularly larger than the invincible class carriers. Capable of operating 6 landings at once with 12 choppers, including chinoks and Tigers. While the UK and Japan have loads of destroyers, they aren't of the blue water type, nor are they all that new and the whole of the Indian navy is essentially non blue water. They have carriers that Australia was thinking of buying but rejected in the 70's! They can't defend them either, collins got a good look at all of their carriers Australia sunk its previous destroyers as dive wrecks even tho they are simular in age to the UK destroyers and some of the japanese ones. Any ship Australia sails is not making up numbers but ready to act. I would be placing Australia closer to 5 rather than 15. If 15 is fielding 2x27,000 carriers and 12 frigates with 3 AEGIS destroyers thats one really tough top 15. Post Reply
Shahab1004 Joined: 08 March 2007 Posts in this thread: 1	Posted on 08 March 2007 11:02 PM I think 1.USA 2.Russia 3.UK 4.France 5.China Post Reply
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